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Today a telephone call from D.W.P regarding my Benefits Options
FIONA752
#1 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:23:51 PM Quote
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Today the D.W.P telephoned me to say that I have been moved over to E.S.A from my old

Income Support claim from way back when. A letter will follow.

I had filled in the Questionnaire and had to return it to ATOS by December the 13th.

So I have not been required to have a face to face assessment.

(Every day I was expecting an appointment in the post from ATOS!)

BUT, I will have to see a personal advisor at the job centre!

I don't want to see one!

However, I will still receive my Disability Living Allowance.

I suppose that is until they reassess us all for PIP eligiblity.

The woman said that I will be required to see a Personal Advisor from "time to time".

I don't want to see one at any time.

i certainly do not want to go to the Job Centre at any time.

So I asked her to enclose an Appeal form with the letter she was about to send me too!

She said that loads of people are asking for Appeals.

She did say that they recognised that I had a limited capacity for work - but that being the case,

why do they want me to see an Advisor at the job centre from time to time?

I do not think that I am in the Support group as they never have to see an Advisor unless they want to.

So do ATOS or the DWP think that my condition has improved in some way?

If they do, how did they make this assumption when they never called me in for an interview and I now

have four fractured vertebra as well as R.A to contend with?

Maybe the letter they are sending will make things more clear.

I know that to go to Appeal would be a great strain and cause a lot of stress so I am really hoping that it

does not come to that.

I was 38 when judged too ill to work and I am now 55.

What, in this era of great unemployment, is the good of chasing after older and sick people and trying to

make them work when there are so many young people who are desperate for jobs?

The Government is bonkers!

Any ideas from anyone on what my position will be regarding security of Benefits?

FionaHuh





jenni_b
#2 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:06:05 AM Quote
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Oh my what a stress

I've had to go to the job centre every few years. I was horrified the first time but its a hoop to get through.
In my experience they talk through the info they have with you
They verify that with you

For me, they just wrote that I couldn't go back to primary teaching
For obvious reasons!
The lady very nicely said that I can't go to work and this is what this type of support is for
The big changes ahead are scarey and she explained how to appeal in case of a problem in my case!
But there hasn't been

I just go back every few years to show I'm still in the same boat and in my case have progressive uncontrolled ra
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Naomi1
#3 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:38:18 AM Quote
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Fiona, I agree. Why on earth tackle the disabled and vulnerable when there are many fit people out there who have much more potential to work? Is it because we are an easy target? I hope, as in jenny's experience, you are able to get through this 'hoop'. Sorry I can't offer any advice. I just wanted to send you my support. XXX
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#4 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:21:35 PM Quote
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Hi Fiona

I have had to visit the job centre every couple of years. It just seems to be an appointment where they check you are who you say you are! We've had nice chats, just checking my details. They've always said it is obvious I can't work - but they have to up date their paperwork every few years!

Mine is being renewed at the moment, and I have sent off the forms but still haven't heard anything yet... so maybe I'll get a phone call to visit the job centre again. It's not as scary as it sounds... and just go with the mind set that they are checking you are a genuine person... and hopefully you will get someone helpful. I like Jenni, was told it was obvious I couldn't go back to University Lecturing... and that in my present condition there was nothing I could possibly do... and that was it. It only lasts about 10 mins each time!

Hope that helps reassure you... if it satisfies them ok, it is probably easier than going through to appeal - and less stressful in the long run.

I know it is hard to do; but try to stay calm about it all... and take someone with you if you would feel happier.

Currently I have 2 broken elbows too... so there's not anything I can do at all in the work line!

Anne x
FIONA752
#5 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:22:46 PM Quote
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Dear Jenni, Naomi and Anne,

Thank you all for your replies.


Are any of you in the "Support" group or are you all in the "Employment Support" Group?

The reason that I got cross really, was because I feel that I have had to have so many Hospital

appointments, particularly because of Spine problems and last Winter many eye hospital appointments,

due to Sjogren's Syndrome. (Which was the first symptom of immune problems, when I was 36 or 37.) I'm 55 now.

The dryness got worse and my eyes were rejecting the drops, so it all needed changing' after years on the old drops.

This makes "screen" work, like using computers all day, not a possibility for me as this increases dryness because we

blink less when in front of screens.

I had developed Keratitis in my left eye and it had really made my vision weird. (Better again now!)

The Spine "thing"! What a nightmare that has been!

M.R.I after M.R.I!

I now have 4 "catastrophic" collapsed vertabra and also two Haemangiomas in my Spine, one is very large they wrote in the

report from the Hospital, but not any bigger this year.

But I know that it makes treatment more dangerous because they carry very large blood supplies and I am also a rare blood

group too!

(Not that any treatment has ever been offered.)

I even asked about Physiotherapy and was told three years ago, "not at this time".

I know why now, it is because the risk of further vertebral collapses is so great.

In fact to go 3 years before the next fracture was pretty good going statistically!

This Summer, my foot became semi paralyzed about two weeks after the 4th fracture and I had a terrible fall in

the street because I had not realized that it was not working properly. It was the early evening of the day I had my M.R.I

scan. There was a lot of blood from my knee and that was through trousers!

Luckily my partner was with me because I was just sprawled on the pavement, crying uncontrollably.

I had nerve conduction tests done at the Hospital and the foot is functional again now but it was very terrifying.

Anyway, the idea of even more appointments at the Job Centre was the limit.

I do not drive and do not use buses anymore because in my experience you tend to get bounced around so much and

the risk of jolting my Spine is too great to take.

So that leaves Taxis or lifts, if the partner is available.

I would not mind going to the Job Centre very occasionally, but not on a regular basis, because it is a waste of my Mobility

allowance.

I live in Devon and even 'though I live in a City, jobs are pretty hard to get and the majority are minimum wage and drudgery.

As I am an Honours Graduate they are probably going to think they can find me something. I am a Sociologist.

Well, it can't be physical and it can't involve screens or travelling to get there so I think that is most bases covered.

Do I sound negative? I am. (By the way no-one employs Sociologists.)

My past experience, includes Dental assistant - pre Degree - experience of Family mediation and Youth worker.

Plus half of my Social work training, after finishing my degree, but I began to get sick with the Sjogren's Syndrome.

My Thesis was on Young Parenthood outcomes for the Honours part of my degree in Sociology.

My unofficial "work" with my own 3 grown up kids never ends - they lurch on from crisis to crisis - and now they are in their

30's and I am a Granny to a nearly 12 year old, who seems to be addicted to Technology, I pads, laptops, Smartphones.

The Government cuts have led to my 32 year old youngest son becoming homeless as he had to give up the flat he had lived in

for 4 years because now you have to be 35 instead of 25 to get rent for a flat. You can only have a room.

Luckily he is not on the streets-having siblings can be beneficial. Lets hope they don't all fall out - they do fall out sometimes.

They know each other too well.

Anyway, I am not supposed to be writing a book!

Best wishes,

FionaRollEyes

























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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:46:58 PM Quote
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Hi Fiona. I'm not on ESA. Luckily I have very good bosses who have amended my duties at work so that i don't need to do anything strenuous. I've had to go part time from 5 days down to 3 days so money is tight. I had no choice other than to do this as my fatigue can be overwhelming.
I hope your benefits situation gets sorted out quickly and they will keep paying you and leave you alone for a while. I know one day that I could be unable to continue working. As it is I am at my limit (over my limit sometimes).
Good luck Fiona and keep us posted. xxx
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Thank you Naomi for the good wishes.

It's great that your boss's are understanding and helpful.

We need more like that!

Best wishes,

FionaSmile
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:24:21 AM Quote
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I'm not sure about the ESA terminology but I'm in the can't work grp
The reasons you give Fiona you'd have to be ms stupid from stupidsville not to realise you need to be in same grp
I'm just the same as Anne really at the appt they seem to check I'm- alive and still tthere

All the best
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sylviax
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:55:38 AM Quote
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Hi All- especially Fiona - I am so thankful to have this forum, to share experiences. It's really scary when you have to face these sort of hassles alone, so it helps to hear how each person copes.

I totally hear what you say, Fiona, it's really tough just managing day to day - just keep in mind the spoon theory and spend your spoons on those things that are most important to you. I'm sure that in your case it will be totally obvious to your personal advisor (what a presumptuous title!!) that you cannot work and as Anne and Jenni say, it will be a formality - just a hoop to jump through and then things will carry on much as now.

Try looking at it from the another angle - we live in an increasingly impersonal bureaucratic world, so it is a good thing to be seen as a real person face-to-face - maybe you can make a necessary evil into a nice event by organising for someone to come with you and have tea and cakes afterwards. Please try and not worry - be yourself - you have nothing to apologise for and nothing to prove to anybody. Take care and love and hugs - Sylvia xx
Be kinder than is necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
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Yayyy Fiona ...:)
I am still waiting but then mine went in one month after yours by the looks of things.

Attend the interview as they will stop your money if you do not.There are a lot more condtions on the work related activity group, including doing training and mandatory community based work

It could be very impotant to appeal the decision so you are in the Support group. They wil pay you the assesment rate plus the WRAG rate of ESA while appealing.( if you do not have a partner who is earning, due to timelimiting of ESA to one year and time on IB counts towards that year. )

Ask for a written statement of reasons from the DWP aswell as that should tell you what descriptrs you qualified for, and you will be able tio see if you are close to any of the Support group descriptors.

Have a look at this page and see if you could fit any of the criteria listed. Bottom of the Document under Appendix 2.
Assessment of whether a claimant has limited capability for work related activity.

If you think you do then base your appeal on that , and see if you can get more evidence .. Remember the evidence has to be based on your condition at the time of your application /ESA50 submission.

Get help with this face to face from an advice centre aswell .

The appeal willl not be as stressful as just submit it, pointing out why you think you qualify using the descriptors from Appendix 2 above with evidence within a month of the conversion to ESA date , and wait .
If you do appeal reeber that there is a risk that you could be found fit for work , but in your case ttis is doubtful as they made the decision with out a medical, ie based on evidence that you had sent in and possibly tem contacting GP and Consultant.


Hope this helps .


Rich :)
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
FIONA752
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:49:22 PM Quote
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Dear Jenni, Sylvia and Rich,

Thank you for the replies.

I am asking for a "reconsideration" in the hope that I will be placed in the Support group!

I have received their written statement about my claim that the "Decision Maker" made.

Does this all sound a lot like a "Big Brother" society to you?

It sounds like something that George Orwell would have included in "1984"!

I have never felt so psychologically beaten down and helpless before. Purely because of the

impersonal and anonymous way these claims are handled and decisions made, designed by a French I.T

company for goodness sake!!!!

Only an I.T company - ATOS - COULD BE SO INHUMANE as to design such a barbaric system.

It is the impersonal face of Capitalism gone mad with greed for money at any cost.

I do not recognize this dump of a country.

Where is our safety net going for the weak and vulnerable, the disabled and sick?

I am not at all surprized that Horsemeat has been found in the serfs food either.

I bet it's been there for years! Let's get it tested for road kill as well! It wouldn't

surprize me!

What would make me really happy would be for A.T.O.S to have their contract revoked.

They are getting fat from the misery of many.

Our Government is dispicable.

Even M.P's are raising their concerns over the terrible distress that is being caused to so many

vulnerable claiments, in Parliament, so I can't be the only one who realizes how terribly wrong

this all is.

Best wishes to you all.

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Yep, I agree with you. It's disgusting that way this government are treating disabled people. The way they are cutting benefits to the most vulnerable and needy really shows their true colours. No one would have a problem with getting fit and healthy long term unemployed back to work if there are jobs for them but the ATOS system is despicable. I'm sure I read that 40% of appeals are succesful so it's worth a try and just goes to show that ATOS are incompetent as well as immoral.
Thank goodness for you Rich. that sounds like very good advice. If I'm ever in a situation like this I'm definitely consulting you first! xxxxx
FIONA752
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Dear Naomi,

Thank you for the reply.

I would love to see disabled people who feel that they can work get all the help possible

to enable them to do so. (Also of course healthy people who want help to get back into work.)

Work is so fundamentally important for social interaction and self esteem for many people.

That is what the "Support" group offers - help IF the person would like to explore the possibilty

of paid employment.

But it seems to me that the law regarding being able to put a claiment into the Support group is

designed to protect the healthy co-workers from any chance of mental or physical distress as opposed to

protecting an ill or disabled person from physical or mental distress.

To meet the criteria things have to be very bad indeed physically or mentally for a claiment.

All I know about my evaluation is that they do not think that work will be possible for me and

yet I have still been placed in the Employment and Support group which makes me think they are

trying to meet quotas for the Employment and Work group.

This conclusion is from their own written statement, which I requested.

It just seems crazy to have to ask for a "reconsideration" and have to appeal in front of a Judge

if they still say "No".

How much does it cost for each of the hearings that are being held?

From my experience the old system was hard to qualify under but this new set of guidelines is

much, much tougher, to the point of cruelty I would say.

I too, have been told by the Appeals team that 40% of Appeals are successful, so does that mean that 40%

of the original decisions are wrong and if so is that because the rules to qualify for the Support group are

now too harsh?

There must be thousands of very distressed claiments out there at the moment!

Best wishes,

FionaHuh





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Hi Fiona - it is very distressing, and my heart goes out to you - all best wishes

love and hugs - Sylvia xx
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Well, the decision came through, regarding my request for a "reconsideration of their decision".

They decided not to change their minds with regards to my case.

So I have written to them telling them that I want my Appeal in front of a Judge and independent Tribunal.

I am still finding it all totally unbelievable!

I had also requested a writtten statement of their reasons for their decision and they sent me their written medical

report, which was done by a nurse.

(Remember, I was not called for a new Medical examination, just asked to fill in a questionnaire.)



In their medical report, they made no mention of my four fractured Thoracic vertebra and I had sent them 9 medical reports,

M.R.I Scan results, etc, and a clinical summary of my Spine fractures from my G.P. with my Questionnaire!

They referred solely to my R.A. and nothing else!

I no longer believe that they refer to any medical reports they are sent, or at best simply give them a very cursory glance!

ATOS actually have stated publicly that so many people achieve success at Appeal hearings because they do not send in enough

medical evidence with their Questionnairs! It is utter fabrication, if my own experience is anything to go by.

My stress levels went through the roof from the moment that the Questionnaire arrived for me to fill in.

I felt as though the genuinness of my 18 year inability to work was being questioned and tossed into a bin in some

office somewhere with quotas to meet and that human dignity, illness and suffering were ignored. Quotas were the driving force.

I will now have to wait to hear when and if I will get my day in front of the Tribunal.

Because I have an indefinite award for D.L.A, I think that they will not attempt to take that away from me until people with

D.L.A awards of shorter duration have been dealt with.

I sense that the handling of D.L.A will be just as appalling as the E.S.A assessments.

FionaConfused








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I want to swear A LOT
How dare these awful people put you through all this :(

I'm cross!
I'm afraid I've been through the DLA assessment again this year, despite indefinite award.
Rotters

I am no socialist but the state removing dignity from the sick and disabled who are ergo (by en large)poor feels horrific.

You go for it Fiona and know that I'm right behind you x
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FIONA752
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Dear Jenni,

Thanks for your warm response to my latest howl!

I think that it all does come down to "dignity" for the sick and disabled.

Some illnesses and conditions are temporary and others are not.

R.A is not temporary for the vast majority of sufferers, it damages over time and the

more that a person forces their body to do something the worse the damage will be.

(Hands in R.A are a good example.) (During a "flare" for instance.)

Spine's that begin to fracture tend to keep on doing so, or at least that is what my

Consultant tells me, so great caution is needed.

How exactly is an employer meant to accommodate such a worker as I would be now?

I don't even want to be a worker and there at least 2 million able bodied people who do and are

looking for work in this country.

I feel that at 55, I really don't feel like playing silly games at the Job Centre, so that yet more boxes

can be ticked and paperwork pushed around.

I am a Graduate so I don't need advice on writing a C.V. etc.

Life is not perfect for everyone and neither is Health for all of us.

My medical report from ATOS clearly states that "work is not possible" for me, so why this game playing?

I would have to pay for a Taxi there and back for my monthly visits to the Job Centre, will they be

refunding that fare to me?

Not likely I'd say.

I am really quite amazed that more people are not writing about this issue on this website.

Or is it that many of the women are married and have reduced their working hours or rely on their

husbands earnings - remembering that most R.A sufferers are female?

It reminds me of a Witch hunt actually - mainly but not exclusively - older women, with no financial

support being harrassed and hounded out of the village!

Even the crooked fingers, etc, like something out of a fairytale from long ago.

Surely we as a population cannot be so easily manipulated by a Government into behaving so apallingly

towards a group of people - unfortunately it seems that it is still possible!

I would like to know what the NRAS stance is on this really important question because the last thing I read about it was

"no comment" I think. I think they said that they had already stated their opinion on the matter.

Now that is weird too!

Are the NRAS unwilling to devote a part of this website to these terrible changes and tell us what campaigns they propose to

undertake on our behalf about it? (Campaigns we could support.)

Maybe I have missed something here on this website. Perhaps they do have a section devoted to the poverty induced bu R.A.

If so, I of course apologize to the NRAS.

Best wishes to you Jenni.

(Excuse the rant please!)

FionaConfused
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Well, I think you have every right to rant away if it makes you feel better. The way you are being treated is morally wrong and makes no logical sense. it will not achieve anything as you cannot work. What a waste of money and time to keep harassing you when there are so many out there who could be helped back into work (when the jobs are there). I hope you get your tribunal and you can bring up the matter of the vertebrae that they seem to want to ignore. keep fighting! please let us know how you're getting on. We live in very tough and frightening times for people who are sick or disabled. Sigh.......
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Dear Naomi,

Thank you for your kind reply to my post.

I do intend to keep fighting them - how much good it will do me, I really

don't know.

Who knows, maybe I will win the Euro millions one week or the lottery!

I won't have to worry about my benefits then!

Kind regards,

FionaThumpUp
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I'd also be interested to know if NRAS are campaigning about the way people with RA are being affected by all the different benefit changes, many of which are not in our favour. What about the 'bedroom tax' if a small room is used for disability equipment for example or if a person with RA needs to sleep apart from their partner because their pain is not only keeping them awake but also their partner who may be the only breadwinner and need to sleep. These are just 2 examples and there are many more including the terrible situation that you haver found yourself in Fiona. I am lucky that i'm still able to work but it's becoming harder to sustain and i've had to go part time. I don't feel confdent that the state will support me if I need it and that's very scary.
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